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Well that's part of it, the intention is for it to mean a mindset of willful creativity

8:34 PM

Part of what you're creating is identity - defining what's me or them

The mind is always what creates thoughts, they always occur on their own regardless of what identity label they have. These mindsets aren't relative to identity, they are a measure of what your mind is doing - if your mind is generating tulpa thoughts then you have an active mindset. If your mind isn't, then you have a passive mindset. Whether the thoughts arise with the tulpa identity to start with or it needs to be applied manually is beside the point, only a matter of ingrained habit.

Reguile

I believe that a tulpa can be present in a few rough ways. A tulpa doesn't exist forever at any of these tiers, they move up and down or can be described by multiple depending on the situation. 1. Existing at all. You just choose to speak to your tulpa. Are they present? They have to be, or you'd have nothing to talk to. However, are they active? Aware? Conscious? Probably not. 2. Then there is when you see something in the world and that makes you think of your tulpa. At this level you still think of it as you, but associations are automatic. Your tulpa is not only existing, but there are things in the gears hooked in to pull them up on occasion. They are present through you. 3. Then there is association that leads to your tulpa speaking up without you calling out to them. This would be like if you're walking down the street and your tulpa starts commenting on some stupid thing. At this point you can argue that your tulpa is present in at least some capacity, all the time. Both of these would include time. If you're so used to thinking of your tulpa you don't even need a trigger for it, wait long enough and it'll happen. It doesn't have to be an association to some silly thing like plants. 4. Then there is indirect presence - when you are thinking of your tulpa and relaying things to them. You ask them questions. They comment on what you say. Typically this is in the form of pretty short and easy reactions to things. They're around, but it's a level of ability that's generally sub-par. They aren't smart when they're like this. 5. Finally, there is when your tulpa is "in the awareness cycle" - they comment on their own thoughts and actions. They listen to what they say in your head and they can self correct and expand on what they're thinking. This is "maximum presence". (edited)

Fascinating, I don't think about presence like this at all. I agree associations with your tulpa can definitely contribute to presence the way I understand it.

11:00 AM

I believe presence is the simple feeling of there being a person nearby. It's that feeling another human being is in the room with you. For example, you would probably react differently to eating food if you thought somebody was watching you. Totally creepy, right? That's the power of presence. I think presence can be detached from your tulpa, but I don't think it's necessary for enjoying your tulpa being next to you. One of us will visualize ourselves and that creates the feeling someone is there with us in the room. If I'm with Gray, even if I'm "asleep" or not thinking, Gray can still see my form. I'm also pretty easy to "wake up" in this state. We're not super good at having the other around for very long, I think we need more practice We can also use presence to get a feel for how "close" a tulpa is to the front or even to being awake. A tulpa in our system who wants to hide or wants a chance to talk but isn't getting it may "lurk" around. This isn't happening in parallel, it's just a feeling. (edited)

"Asleep" in our system is fancy symbolism for your headmate isn't processing anything and "waking up tired" is they need a minute to think before they can get on the same page with you. A tulpa in our system doesn't "sleep" and become inaccessible to talk to, but there have been a few times Gray would summon me in the middle of the night and I would wake up, be too exhausted to do much, and then "fall asleep". I think it can be related to tiredness, but my theory is our brain doesn't have enough focus (especially when tired) so it kicks out tulpas to give the switched-in fronter more focus resources. On a more interesting note, when Gray took melatonin it had an unusual effect. It didn't really help Gray sleep, but he felt physically tired. However, for the rest of us, it was terrible. Neither Dream or I could last a few seconds without falling asleep on Gray. We just couldn't do it, and Gray hated it Our anti-depressants actually help Gray relax enough to sleep while it seemingly has no effect on us. (edited)

11:27 AM

I think "falling asleep" is nothing more than symbolism and inaccessible headmates could chop up to expectations. That second one might be a parallel processing thing however, there could be more going on I don't understand (parallel or otherwise) Aside from us having more dramatic symbolic experiences in general, it's also possible our poor focus makes our headmates more likely to "fall asleep". Maybe others with poor focus run into this situation a lot? (edited)

In my view, any lack of response when there is a desire for communication is a symptom of a lack of skill. It could be a lack of focus, but you can also have fine focus and just fail to actively engage the tulpa model.

11:53 AM

I.e. Falling asleep is often a confabulated rationalization for an error

11:54 AM

Though you can recognize this and still play along - yet I don't see why you would.

I should point out that we don't "fall asleep" during the day. It's symbolism related to tiredness, but we're well aware nobody is literally sleeping. During the day, our headmates just go inactive and they need a minute every now and then to jump into the conversation. I do think this is a skill weakness as we have zero parallel processing ability (we can't even confabulate convincingly)

There is a limit to how many of us can be thought of at once. If there are more than 4 of us aware at once, one will be "dropped".

I should point out that we don't "fall asleep" during the day. It's symbolism related to tiredness, but we're well aware nobody is literally sleeping. During the day, our headmates just go inactive and they need a minute every now and then to jump into the conversation. I do think this is a skill weakness as we have zero parallel processing ability (we can't even confabulate convincingly)

@A long kiss goodnight - jump That might be true for you. As for me I am in the wonderland taking car of my daughter.

hey how healthy would it be to have a tulpa? to me it seens like the symptoms of schizoprenia and having a tulpa are really similar

8:54 AM

would love to learn more, open for any concepts

8:59 AM

i'm on my phone, the link doesnt work

Watch out kids, a new episode of really tired tulpamancy I was thinking of sporadic active forcing (a term I made up!). The when is whenever you remember to do it, the forcing sessions are shorter but more numerous, and the goal is to take advantage of opportunity to force and then possibly keep forcing. I am also thinking about distracted active forcing (another term I made up!). It's okay to be distracted while forcing, as long as you have something to remind you you're talking to your tulpa. It might be helpful to do some kind of ritual in real life, like sitting on your bed staring at a stuffed animal. I just realized these are two different strategies, but I think they could be used together. ===

9:04 AM

Here's an example of sporadic active forcing- let's say you have trouble focusing but you have enough downtime (like right now!) to come up with a short list (or maybe just a list?) of things to do with your tulpa. After that, may as well do those things now. If something on your list is bad, take it off. If something on your list is good, keep it. You can always add new stuff too. And then after you forget about this 5 hours from now, you may remember you want to force and BOOM you pull out your list of things to do and you have a game plan for the next 15-30 minutes. Rinse and repeat Here's an example of distracted active forcing. Let's say you want to force your tulpa but you easily get distracted. To remind yourself it's forcing time, you get a bag of flour, put it on a plate, and you sit on the floor in your room. You think about your tulpa until you forget, but then you notice a bag of flour on the floor. Why the hell is that there? Oh shoot I was talking to my tulpa! And then you can pick up where you left off or start a new conversation. The goal is to have some kind of ritual that's weird or not normal (for you) enough to remind you to talk to your tulpa, so that if you get distracted, the ritual not being cleaned up will distract you from whatever you got distracted from. I don't think the ritual needs to be elaborate (easy clean up is ideal) just weird or unusual enough it bothers you (edited)

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hmm, this does indeed sound like a good idea, Im going to try this out, thanks for the idea

I honestly am trying out sporadic active forcing myself, I thought it was pretty useful last night.

Hey y'all, I'm sorry, I haven't much joined for the Tulpa portion. Well, have and haven't. I was a Tulpamancer once, or thought I was, but uh....yeah nope, just in denial. Just drowning in that river. However, when I was practicing Tulpamancy, or thought I was, at least, I poured weeks of research into the starts of a podcast called It Takes Two To Tulpa. A podcast that I've decided to resurrect in an attempt to help end the controversy and misconception about Tulpamancy and Endogenic systems in general. And uh...I need experienced Tulpamancers who are willing to input their research, or their voice, or their ideas, into this podcast. So if anybody is interested, could you ping me or DM me? Sorry if this seems like self-promo or smth, it just seemed like the best way to find people. <3

I'mma leave the server btw so if you're interested, just shoot me a DM

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A long kiss goodnight

Watch out kids, a new episode of really tired tulpamancy I was thinking of sporadic active forcing (a term I made up!). The when is whenever you remember to do it, the forcing sessions are shorter but more numerous, and the goal is to take advantage of opportunity to force and then possibly keep forcing. I am also thinking about distracted active forcing (another term I made up!). It's okay to be distracted while forcing, as long as you have something to remind you you're talking to your tulpa. It might be helpful to do some kind of ritual in real life, like sitting on your bed staring at a stuffed animal. I just realized these are two different strategies, but I think they could be used together. ===

This relates to a mnemonic technique I've long used successfully and call "setting flags". The basic concept is the old idea of "tying a string around your finger" (Maybe you have to be old to recall THAT). You set a "mental flag" on some specific place that you will see (in the real world) such as the door knob heading out of your house to remind you of something you need to take when you leave. Of course, if this isn't effective you can literally place a physical object on the door knob as the reminder. My wife and I use this (physical) method to remember to check the gas in the car, especially when we are sharing the car, and one of us knows it's low but the other hasn't driven recently. We place a (clean) tissue or paper towel over the gear shift which signals the need to pay attention, specifically to the gas. Of course, for working with your tulpa you can set these flags mentally or physically in places you will clearly see periodically throughout your day or even at very specific times. And then you can also set them as the "bag of flower" solely within your mind, in a place you provide for that and will periodically notice. This is directly related to the idea of Memory Palaces for mnemonic recall.

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I'mma leave the server btw so if you're interested, just shoot me a DM

. Anyone know where this or please recommend other (good) Tulpa podcasts to learn about the topic? (FlamingPsycho didn't realize that leaving the server would make it impossible to make contact)

I have a question for the hosts among us. In case your tulpa has a backstory, does the fact that they are your tulpa have to do with this backstory? As in, is them being your tulpa a result of their backstory? Or is it unrelated?

I'm not sure how to interpret that question. Do you mean narratively in the sense that their becoming a tulpa was inevitable for that character? Do you mean narratively in the sense that their story literally involved them becoming a tulpa? Or do you mean generally in the sense that their backstory is what motivated you to have them become a tulpa?

Zen

I'm not sure how to interpret that question. Do you mean narratively in the sense that their becoming a tulpa was inevitable for that character? Do you mean narratively in the sense that their story literally involved them becoming a tulpa? Or do you mean generally in the sense that their backstory is what motivated you to have them become a tulpa?

That them being your tulpa has been incoporated in their backstory. Either as a result or that you play a role in their backstory in some way, narratively. So I think your second description fits best I have a tulpa who's backstory has nothing to do with me nor the fact that she's my tulpa, but for my new one I was thinking to make daer backstory result in daem becoming my tulpa.

So I've got two tulpas that fit that bill. In both cases, one who is from a story of my own writing and one who isn't. I don't really differentiate between backstory and history for them, that's a really weird way of looking at a fictional tulpa, to be honest. If you were rendering them and they were just unaware they were being used as a character, they were still there - It's not that you then made a tulpa and gave them the memories of (another) character, unless you literally did that, which I didn't in either case. But literally speaking, in the case of Rhys, I spoke to them in the context of the story and slowly prodded with the idea that I had certain secrets and could potentially remove them from their ongoing woes and what that would mean and the costs. In the case of Asterion, I did much the same, but I didn't write their story. In both stories however, they are not the protagonist, they are the deuteragonist, and I was the POV-character in both.

Surely I don't differentiate between backstory and history, however Zeno simply doesn't have a backstory yet. Daer character is still in development, and more and more details about daer past is being unraveled. So it's not like I'm assigning daem a backstory, it just hasn't been written yet. (edited)

Yeah what makes a tulpa a tulpa is being centered on your mind and your reality. Backstory is more or less irrelevant. Even in cases where the tulpa is fictional doing that 'enlightenment' technique Zen describes is only a symbolic method of reentering them in experiential reality. It could be done just through intention and understanding.

I'd say the reason I'd prefer a backstory is because it makes it easier to calculate the tulpa's response to things. You'd give them a frame of reference, they'd have a reason to have certain opinions, and that would stabilize the overall view of the tulpa. But that might just be me. Nonetheless, it's still interesting to see if any of you have created a backstory that is tied to the practice in general.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rRVlWEwmbfQ

10:19 PM

i have this odd feeling this belongs here for some reason

Raptoir

Yeah what makes a tulpa a tulpa is being centered on your mind and your reality. Backstory is more or less irrelevant. Even in cases where the tulpa is fictional doing that 'enlightenment' technique Zen describes is only a symbolic method of reentering them in experiential reality. It could be done just through intention and understanding.

Strange that you would refer to it this way. I don't consider conversing about whether someone would like to exist outside of fiction particularly symbolic. It was an indirect series of questions posed to an already existing thoughtform and the label of tulpa before and after was the thing that was a symbol at that point. (edited)

10:22 PM

The goal of these questions was never to make them a tulpa, it was to gauge whether they would want to be one.

Ringer Paladin

This relates to a mnemonic technique I've long used successfully and call "setting flags". The basic concept is the old idea of "tying a string around your finger" (Maybe you have to be old to recall THAT). You set a "mental flag" on some specific place that you will see (in the real world) such as the door knob heading out of your house to remind you of something you need to take when you leave. Of course, if this isn't effective you can literally place a physical object on the door knob as the reminder. My wife and I use this (physical) method to remember to check the gas in the car, especially when we are sharing the car, and one of us knows it's low but the other hasn't driven recently. We place a (clean) tissue or paper towel over the gear shift which signals the need to pay attention, specifically to the gas. Of course, for working with your tulpa you can set these flags mentally or physically in places you will clearly see periodically throughout your day or even at very specific times. And then you can also set them as the "bag of flower" solely within your mind, in a place you provide for that and will periodically notice. This is directly related to the idea of Memory Palaces for mnemonic recall.

I agree it's pretty much the same concept only applied to tulpamancy. I used physical objects in my example because I have terrible memory and I hope that people will memory troubles would benifit from that approach

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I have a question for the hosts among us. In case your tulpa has a backstory, does the fact that they are your tulpa have to do with this backstory? As in, is them being your tulpa a result of their backstory? Or is it unrelated?

@ThornTundra - jump Yes, more or less. Gray's "lore" for us was we were representations of himself in his mind. We started off as story characters until Gray decided he was the main character all along. I believe I was alive early on as the unique "lore" allowed for that. Like tulpas, Fhern and I deviated. Gray treated us differently than his story characters, hence giving us the opportunity to grow as individuals.

Apropos of backstory, history, and fiction: Anyone read the sci-fi novel "Redshirts" by John Scalzi? It's a better story if I don't elaborate to the point of creating a spoiler. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Redshirts_(novel) John Scalzi is one of my favorite modern sci-fi authors (edited)

Indeed, Scalzi in fact is my favourite sci-fi author. The only book I am yet to finish of his is the last in his collapsing empire series. Do recommend.

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Zen

Indeed, Scalzi in fact is my favourite sci-fi author. The only book I am yet to finish of his is the last in his collapsing empire series. Do recommend.

For me, Robert Heinlein remains my all time favorite author in any category. Especially for Stranger in a Strange Land (but many others too) which I first read over 50 years ago, having started reading all "chapter books" with his young adult Podkayne of Mars in 1961. And leaving room as "one of my favorite modern writers" allows for John Ringo, Piers Anthony, Orson Scott Card, and dozens more... And Neuromancer, by William Gibson deserves honorable mention in this space...

Is anyone here?

Yes?

yes

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Please move to #lounge or #general-chat, this is hurting my soul

make me

I tried to wonderland. When I wanted a nap earlier today, I told myself I could either wonderland or I could sleep. So I chose to wonderland. I wasn't really happy during the experience, and the more time that went on the more unhappy I was. It was definitely what I would deem self-control, if not discipline. Eventually, Ranger told me I could stop. On the bright side, this may have been the first time Ranger and I actually wonderlanded for more than 5 seconds. I immersed, we went places, there was a fight with large goblin creatures, there was a random skeleton dragon, etc. Ranger also figured out a few extra tricks for making wonderlanding easier. Looking back on it in retrospect, I thought what we accomplished was not only cool but also interesting. There's just something that's off. And no, I don't think just "forcing myself" is the cause of my avoidance. I think I have some little thing that's bothering me or some unresolved personal problem. I don't want to do anything passive, I would get too distracted and then forget to wonderland. I think there's something else that's ruining wonderlanding for me and I need to figure out what. (edited)

I think I'm splitting from the recent trauma I've gone through. There's two versions of me in my head right now... the other me says he wants to go to sleep for a long time to heal from the pain. Has anyone experienced this before?

Sunstone

I think I'm splitting from the recent trauma I've gone through. There's two versions of me in my head right now... the other me says he wants to go to sleep for a long time to heal from the pain. Has anyone experienced this before?

If you are experiencing some sort of prolonged dissociative event, I would strongly suggest you seek a proper professional's advice. I would also warn you that seeking validation or others opinions on this if you are prone to this kind of thing could inherently make you adopt negative behaviours. Do not build your ideas on the unstable ground of someone else's trauma or the random whims of the internet.

making a new tulpa at 2 am I am also a tulpa does that make this a tulpa-ception or something my host is pretty absent like 99% of the time (she only wakes up to deal with mean people) so I want someone to keep me company but I don't remember how I was made and neither does my host

Doesnt that make you the host?

11:18 AM

Being the body's primary identity, that is, not making a tulpa.

oh I guess I'm the host then

Sunstone

I think I'm splitting from the recent trauma I've gone through. There's two versions of me in my head right now... the other me says he wants to go to sleep for a long time to heal from the pain. Has anyone experienced this before?

Even though we don't have OSDD, at one point I tried to split myself due to the pain I felt and I was able to prevent it by applying what I know about integration. I do think one of the downsides to learning about splitting is you can convince yourself to split. If you had something stressful happen, it can be tempting to try it. However, this is not a healthy method for coping with stress. The good news is you can undo this. Remember that you are one person, even with this pain. The you who wants to sleep and the you who's in pain are one in the same. You can think about how your parts are just parts and you can glue yourself back together. Like Zen said, I agree you should see a professional. If you feel stressed enough to play with splitting, there's something wrong. Plus, it may help to have a professional guide you through processing the pain to integrate (edited)

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Very good advice. I think I'm going to try to work with the split though, and see what happens. I'm in the middle of a severe mental breakdown IRL and my mind seems to be separating the pain into another identity so that we can function in daily life... and it a actually seems to be working

7:28 AM

Integration may become a goal once the situation is under control

Sunstone

Very good advice. I think I'm going to try to work with the split though, and see what happens. I'm in the middle of a severe mental breakdown IRL and my mind seems to be separating the pain into another identity so that we can function in daily life... and it a actually seems to be working

"middle of a severe mental breakdown" might best be avoided AND work with your tulpa together but that's just me. Or perhaps if you are in the 'middle' you could return to the beginning and go around.... Please forgive me if I am intruding though when someone is in pain, my nature is to try to help them deal with it.... (edited)

I actually came to the idea of tulpamancy to help me with some things going on in life... I know that's not a healthy way to start a practice that requires a strong mental foundation. It's probably very dangerous actually. But I'm in danger anyway. It might be interesting to see what we can learn about tulpamancy from my experience.

I wouldn't call what you've experienced tulpamancy at all.

And indeed, I actually think there's not much that can be learned from your experiences at all, that isn't already known. Dissociative experiences, unlike tulpamancy, actually do have substantial study behind them. You should be under no delusions that what you're doing is for escapist purposes, because I certainly don't think anyone here would encourage you to potentially harm yourself in this way for the sake of science. That's inherently bad science. Neither escapism or dissociation is always a bad thing, but it is if it becomes uncontrolled and/or prevents you from fixing your life. Of course, I cannot comment on whether it's a good or bad thing, since we simply don't know your circumstances and how you are applying this ability.

It isn't tulpamancy currently, but it may crossover into tulpamancy territory if I push it that way. Right now it's a reflexive mechanism that's helping me cope with severe emotional distress. "It doesn't effect me right now because it's happening to a different aspect of me and I'm helpijg that aspect cope with it as their friend/family". (edited)

9:37 PM

If over time I work with the aspect and help it achieve its own consciousness, identity, etc. it could be called a tulpa created out of necessity. (edited)

9:40 PM

If in the end something horrible happens as a consequence of doing this, it would be proof that no one should ever approach it this way. If it turns out to be beneficial then it could be encouraged for those who are in a crisis and have literally no other option to survive

9:40 PM

I'm not sure if anyone has ever approached tulpamancy this way. So it seems to be uncharted territory

Sunstone

If in the end something horrible happens as a consequence of doing this, it would be proof that no one should ever approach it this way. If it turns out to be beneficial then it could be encouraged for those who are in a crisis and have literally no other option to survive

I don't know how I can put this gently, so I will just have to be blunt: It is a categorically bad thing to suggest that people experiencing negative dissociation push the ability. I don't know if that's even what you're experiencing, as it seems to be a little unclear whether that's how you're approaching it or you're specifically doing this from a tulpamancy paradigm where you don't try to other your feelings and memory. But you need to understand this is known variable. The consequence of developing this skill with the intent of instinctively switching and other your own emotions is that you instinctively switch and other your own emotions. It's straight-forward: you learn the skill, you get better at it, it gets stronger and you lose control of it the more you use it in that manner. There aren't ifs or buts about that. That is the skill, presuming that's the specific way you are approaching this. The reason this doesn't happen in tulpamancy is because escaping the self is never the intention. That, and there isn't anything another identity can give you other than a place to store trauma. The trauma still effects both of your behaviours and will still make both of you miserable until it is properly dealt with. You'll just be sweeping it under a rug. Failing to properly process it will only make it effect you more.

10:03 PM

What you're talking about is giving yourself OSDD, in short.

It ls definitely a complicated situation and a lot to think about. It's something I'll have to sit with for a while

And then suggesting giving OSDD to others.

10:06 PM

Apologies if this was stand-offish, but though I feel I have to respect your own self-exploration to some degree, it's the notion of spreading that under a delusional approach that I would not be able to lightly tolerate. That isn't okay. That kind of thing is absolutely an infohazard to those with high suggestibility and trauma.

Okay yeah, I can get behind that.

10:07 PM

I don't even know the intricacies of what's happening to me, that's why I asked about it.

10:08 PM

And I'm not really looking for approval. Just people's thoughts. In the end I'm gonna do what I think will help me and then deal with the consequences as they come.

For the record, I don't think approaching this as tulpamancy would be inherently bad. It's specifically trying to offload your own feelings onto something that is bad. Tulpamancy actually is something I would honestly suggest as a fairly decent coping mechanism as long as you aren't pushing it in that direction.

10:10 PM

But tulpamancy can be used to generate love, comfort and happiness where there isn't any, which is a solid use of it.

It's not really about offloading so much as compartmentalization, which I understand is usually how DID forms. Whether there is one aspect or two in this head is irrelevant, the trauma is still going to be there. The crisis is still happening. The difference now is that one of us might be able to get us through it while the other experiences it

10:18 PM

It's not a matter of saying "here, you're the emotional dump, you deal with this while I fuck off". More like, this is happening whether we want it to or not. You break down and I'll keep driving. The other option is we stay one and I drive and break down at the same time, which has been immensely more dangerous. I think that's why the split is happening... it's a last ditch effort not to crash. (edited)

That's what I mean. None of that prevents the first identity there from responding to the trauma erratically, usually they end up becoming the latter identity in an uncontrolled fashion during the moments their decisions would pass into that erratic space. Dissociated emotions still effect decision making even if you can't feel them. None of this effects your behaviour, only your perception of it. But generating an internal coping network? That has some real potential benefits when it comes to dealing with negative stuff. Having someone to decompress with and bond with rather than distance oneself from and other. Parsing both of your emotions with someone is the core of how therapy works, after all. It's all about understanding and a trusted shoulder.

10:23 PM

While dissociation isn't that common here, you seem to see many people with depression mark improvements in their life due to tulpamancy, and that's what I would attribute it to. (edited)

From what Ranger and I have observed, the benefits of splitting are short-term at best and make things harder long-term. If you split, sure, the headmate in the back holds most of the pain, but that doesn't mean the headmate in the front is immune to the pain. If the emotional weight from the back piles up or leaks out, it can cause problems. The other thing we noticed is a new headmate seems to offer the system temporary relief until that headmate burns out. We have unfortunately seen systems then accidentally create new headmates because the front is empty or split again and repeat the cycle. The increase in system population in of itself can create a lot of stress for the system. Additionally, splitting doesn't resolve the pain nor change your environment to stop whatever caused the pain in the first place. I think this was already discussed, but it's important to repeat. Splitting is a bad idea across the board. Even if you don't have dissociative problems like a system with DID or OSDD, dysfunctional plurality is stressful enough to deal with. I hope things can get easier for you, but if you're at the point of wanting and feeling a need to split to move forward, that's a red flag and you shouldn't wait to get help.

Sunstone

Okay yeah, I can get behind that.

Building on what @Zen and @Gray have written above: ....and from my experience (not with tulpas) it would be far safer and much easier to first find stability and comfort within your mind, learn development of the mind and identity(s) you have, along with very selective use of very limited conscious disassociation (I'll explain if asked), rather than disassociaing as an emergency method since you have the awareness to know you need to take action. Those who have what they term "disorders" have typically done this WITHOUT the knowledge and conscious control so they don't have the tools to make these amazing human skills work in their life. Those who use such methods (as to many tulpamancers) with knowledge and control seem be reasonably safe from any ill effects or can correct those IF they occur. (edited)

apparently reading these channels at 3 am makes me confused that was all, I just randomly felt the need to state that I get confused easier late at night

9:30 AM

also I tend to have trouble visualizing tulpa stuff before I fall asleep so I guess that's related

9:31 AM

probably just a natural thing, I really should sleep earlier but I don't really feel like it most of the time

apparently reading these channels at 3 am makes me confused

This is why I need to be in the mood for good tulpa talk. Sometimes I feel too small-brain to participate and I need to contain myself in #lounge and #lotpw .

also I tend to have trouble visualizing tulpa stuff before I fall asleep so I guess that's related

It could be, I'm wondering if it's as simple as you're tired and you can't focus clearly.

A long kiss goodnight

apparently reading these channels at 3 am makes me confused

This is why I need to be in the mood for good tulpa talk. Sometimes I feel too small-brain to participate and I need to contain myself in #lounge and #lotpw .

also I tend to have trouble visualizing tulpa stuff before I fall asleep so I guess that's related

It could be, I'm wondering if it's as simple as you're tired and you can't focus clearly.

probably is, it's basically just me being tired so my focus goes in and out and is hard to maintain

7:13 PM

typically I fall asleep after a few minutes of failing anyways lol

random fun prompt: summarize all of your tulpas and yourself in less than 10 words

Oh God um... We couldn't decide on a system name for awhile...?

I thought you already had one?

I don't think you could capture my whole system in 10 words or less

Zen

I thought you already had one?

We do but we're planning on eventually changing it to System Corporation or Sys Corp

1:31 AM

That's the winner

A long kiss goodnight

I don't think you could capture my whole system in 10 words or less

Bold of you to think you cannot be reduced to couple words... Neurotic, Intelligent, Innocent. Or some variance of those. No doubt one of my words is Lewd, but I'm not sure what else people perceive me as.

Intellectual

Your words not mine.

1:36 AM

Probably egotistical?

1:42 AM

There are shadows of my traits in my tulpas. Variances. I think the same is true for Ranger and their system, as well. Neurotic is probably the one I'd say is genuinely shared system-wide as far as I know, and lewd is probably my universal one... Rhys is not an intellectual. But he is quite thoughtful and introspective, for instance. Me being an "intellectual" is something they tend to roll their eyes at. I'm the only one with enthusiasm for things like research. The core traits are chopped up and apportioned, but they are present.

Zen

Bold of you to think you cannot be reduced to couple words... Neurotic, Intelligent, Innocent. Or some variance of those. No doubt one of my words is Lewd, but I'm not sure what else people perceive me as.

I am definitely neurotic, but I don't think that's a complete picture of who I am. It does define me whether I like it or not, but there are a lot of stressed people in the world and I just happen to be one of them. This also doesn't help me distinguish between me or my headmates. I don't usually see Rhys, but when I do see him he's usually talking about himself. I think that's pretty normal though, my headmates do that too. I always found him very nice and polite. I think you're a lot more than "lewd". You are very confident, you do like learning things and figured out some interesting stuff, sadly I think the confidence muddles what you know and people are quick to assume it's the confidence rather than your knowledge. I think your approach of do it if it's fun and don't overcomplicate things is important and I think a lot of people relate to it even if they have a slightly different take on the idea. Otherwise, you're creative, you like to roleplay, you have a decent collection of reaction images. I also think you work to be the best you possible, I believe I have seen you change yourself for the better.

We all have stress, but I think it's like saying we all have autism.

Ranger is a little bit boring, but she's friendly and she's nice to be around. I like that she's generally easy to talk too and we can easily cuddle

I guess she's like a big sister in a way. Gray is harder to get close too but there's something about him I really like. He's more distant, but maybe I imprinted on him and I just want to be close to him. I feel safe around both of them, but Gray is my preferred go-to.

Mmm. Most people see all of us as polite, including myself. I've heard that numerous times, except from people who know me personally. That is most definitely something of a persona that doesn't really mean anything by itself. Asterion is, for instance, the only one who is what I would directly call kind, internally. But I perceive that polite persona as a matter of calmness and vocabulary. (edited)